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Via [personal profile] giandujakiss and [community profile] otw_news , [livejournal.com profile] swanswan posts about going to a gallery show in Ireland which included "a video installation - it had its own special darkroom, and a wall-sized screen - which contained clips from the original Superman movie with Christopher Reeve, set to the music of the band Five for Fighting. In other words, a fanvid."

The video, "It's Not Easy" (2004) by South African artist Ed Young, doesn't appear to be online. Though admittedly my Google Fu was challenged by the discovery that he shares a name with an evangelical pastor who runs a megachurch in Texas and challenged his flock "to strengthen their unions through Seven Days of Sex" last November.

I'm not sure that the video's inclusion in the exhibit necessarily indicates that the art world overlooks vidding when women have been making vids for decades, but hails it as art when a man does it. From swanswan's description, Young's video sounds very much in the tradition of decades of art that appropriate and remix film and video, sometimes incorporating music. Given that the video predates YouTube, it seems much less likely that the artist would have been aware of or exposed to vidding, and more likely that he would have been aware of works such as Dana Birnbaum's late '70s classic Technology/Transformation: Wonder Woman, which I posted about a while back -- another video that engages with gender through clips of an iconic superhero.

Nor would he be the first video artist to use the music video form -- and even as remixes go, Jillian McDonald's "Me and Billy Bob" predates "It's Not Easy" by at least a year. And it's not surprising that artists would independently turn to the music video form -- especially given that Robert Longo, best known for his "Men in the Cities" series, also made music videos, and arthouse film directors like Spike Jonze and Michael Gondry got their start making music videos. If anything, it's almost predictable that art world figures would play with music videos as a medium (think, say, Roy Lichtenstein and comic books or Richard Prince and advertising).

So I'm not sure how to answer swanswan's question: "Is it a good thing to see the same practices we use (and by we I obv mean the fannish community, never having vidded a damn thing myself) being lauded and officially recognised? Or is it crappily yet another example of a mainstream male (however "mainstream" this guy can be said to be) getting recognition for a style we've been doing for years, and to a vastly higher standard?"

In the case of Young's video, I doubt that what's being specifically lauded is its viddishness -- that is, his use of the music video format per se with reedited clips from a mainstream media source -- much less its technical merits relative to those of vidders. Rather, the video's place in the show reflects its relative success in using the established tools of appropriation art in the service of an established thematic interest in representations of masculinity. In other words, Young succeeded in making something that recognizably looks and works like an art video that happens to take a form extremely similar to vidding. And again, that's almost predictable to the extent that many of the core practices of vidding arguably date back much further than the '70s. This blog post from an Australian film course even explicitly makes an interesting case for Joseph Cornell's famous Rose Hobart (1936) as a proto-vid.

It seems obvious to say that the vids that do things and the vidders that say things that the art world is able to recognize as congruent with its own interests, values, histories, aesthetics, and discourses will be the ones most likely to achieve recognition from the art world. Then again, the art world is nothing if not insular, narcissistic, and tautological. It's more difficult to imagine how the art world might take up vidding as a form and community with its own interests, values, histories, aesthetics, and discourses deserving of recognition on its own terms, rather than cherrypicking specific works and creators as artworthy with at best a semi-condescending nod to their roots and traditions. One potentially instructive historical comparison might be how the art world has absorbed other forms originating outside of its orbit such as graffiti art.

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lian: Klavier Gavin, golden boy (Default)
[personal profile] lian wrote:
Jun. 1st, 2009 03:59 pm (UTC)
Right, and I'll just lamely point back to the "vids as art?" discussion that was sparked by Locating Fair Use in the Space Between Fandom and the Art World (Part One) back in March.

To tangentially reply to your statement about the unlikely/complicated contact between "the art world" and "the vidding community": well, in the person of the artist who incorporates both sensibilities, for one thing, like Stacia Yeapanis.

But even apart from appropriation/recognition aspects, to me it's mainly about lazy no research on the Gallery's part, as [personal profile] giandujakiss argues. It's not as if there wasn't enough context a *lot* closer to home, so to speak, just as you point out.
crypto: Amy Pond (Default)
[personal profile] crypto wrote:
Jun. 1st, 2009 04:45 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I can definitely see the point about research.

I hadn't thought of Stacia Yeapanis in terms of someone who incorporates both sensibilities; when I looked at some of the stuff on her website way back when her letter first circulated, I didn't really think that her videos were particularly successful as either art or vids. Now that I think of it, she kind of reminds me of the impression that I got of Ed Young, in that they're both recent MFAs whose career seems to be as much about performing the role of artist as producing art.
lian: Klavier Gavin, golden boy (Default)
[personal profile] lian wrote:
Jun. 2nd, 2009 11:29 pm (UTC)
(Heh, you're right, talking of "sensibilites" when what there is is basically "awareness" is taking it too far.)
thirdblindmouse: The captain, wearing an upturned pitcher on his head, gazes critically into the mirror. (vidding is my fandom)
[personal profile] thirdblindmouse wrote:
Jun. 2nd, 2009 03:31 pm (UTC)
Your last paragraph is very to-the-point. I don't want or need the art world's recognition of vidding. Yet at the same time, it's hard to see a feral vidder stumbling along on their own when if they only looked around and swallowed their pride they could do so much better -- most of all because their audience shouldn't have to settle.
crypto: Amy Pond (Default)
[personal profile] crypto wrote:
Jun. 2nd, 2009 06:58 pm (UTC)
The other thing is that a lot of vids that are great as vids just wouldn't be valued in an art world setting. Even aside from issues of fannish context and knowledge of the source, elements prized in vidding, like polished editing styles and sophisticated use of effects (or devalued, like talky face and long clips), aren't necessarily assets (or liabilities) in art videos.

And conversely it's possible to imagine a compelling and successful art video using a vid-like form that would be likely regarded as a failure as a vid (i.e. Cornell's Rose Hobart that I linked to).

So I'm not sure what it would mean for vidding to take its rightful place in the art world. At the very least, that kind of recognition would more likely result from vidding taking the art world on the art world's own terms, and not the art world taking vidding up on vidding's terms.
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