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The Searchers

  • Jul. 29th, 2009 at 1:48 PM
crypto: Amy Pond (Default)
Last week Dreamwidth implemented a search-your-own-journal feature for paid users and paid communities. So I can search my old posts (but not the comments), but as of right now I can't search other people's journals.

I've never blocked search engines on LiveJournal or Dreamwidth, so I regularly use Google to find old posts in my journal that I want to reread or link back to by searching for "cryptoxin [keyword(s)]". This is particularly valuable for me because I don't have a good tagging system for my posts.

Dreamwidth is also considering implementing site-wide search of public posts as a feature for paid users. They're looking for feedback, including whether to implement it on an opt-in or opt-out basis. One suggestion supported by several commenters for when the feature is rolled is to set the default preference to match each user's setting for offsite search engines. That is, if you've opted to minimize your journal's inclusion in public search engine results (e.g. Google), the assumption would be that you're also opting out of DW's site-wide search unless and until you change your DW site-search preference.

I'm wondering if this assumption is actually true -- that most people's off-site and within-site search preferences will correlate. My impression is that most people whose journals I read have blocked search engine robots for the LJ and DW journals; my impression is that the primary privacy concerns are about reducing the visibility of their journals to people outside of fandom (e.g. coworkers/employers, copyright holders). So that presumably wouldn't be a factor for an intra-DW site-wide search feature, which would be limited to paid DW users. It would be about not wanting other people on DW, including people inside of fandom, to find your posts via search.

Personally, I'd love to be able to search public posts. In recent comments to other people's posts, I've had to dig up links to fan fiction, vids, and recs posts; the lack of searchability makes finding those links harder than it should be. I'd also like a search feature for whenever I see someone make a passing reference to an older story, vid, or post that's not linked, or when I want to go back and find a particular post that I'd read before either on or linked from my friendslist. I can usually find them, but it requires going to the person's journal and looking through the relevant tag, or occasionally sifting through their archive for the relevant month(s), or else trying to find it on delicious.

And when I check out new-to-me shows like Spooks and Sea Patrol, I wish I could find episode reaction posts from people who were watching the episodes when they originally aired. Behold the loneliness of the belated fan!

So what would best describe your searchability preferences? For 'Google search' read 'external search engines'; for sitewide search, it only applies to your public posts, and is only available to other journal users. Sadly, my attempts to create a poll in DW are failing, so let's try a manual version ETA or see next entry for a functional poll:

A. Block Google search AND block sitewide search by other users

B. Block Google search BUT allow sitewide search by other users

C. Allow Google search AND allow sitewide search by other users

D. Allow Google search BUT block sitewide search by other users


Bonus question: if you would opt to block both external and internal searches, are your reasons or privacy concerns the same in both cases, or different?

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norah: Monkey King in challenging pose (Default)
[personal profile] norah wrote:
Jul. 29th, 2009 06:21 pm (UTC)
BLOCK BOTS. Permit sitewide. I only want people searching my journal for specific things they know or suggest may be there, not random strangers to be able to stumble on it because some bot indexed it.
crypto: Amy Pond (Default)
[personal profile] crypto wrote:
Jul. 29th, 2009 08:25 pm (UTC)
I'd love to have a sitewide search to make it easier to find more SYTYCD reaction posts!

Though I've mostly written off this season of the U.S. show at this point. I don't know if the Australian version spoiled me, but I'm just not as excited about the remaining dancers as I was this time last year.
norah: Monkey King in challenging pose (Default)
[personal profile] norah wrote:
Jul. 29th, 2009 08:57 pm (UTC)
The Australian version is just better. It just is. But I have to say, once they get to top ten and the really obviously not-as-good ones are weeded out, I stop caring quite as much. Perversely, because I like them all and want them all to succeed. Go, them!

But yeah, both seasons of the Aussie version have so far outstripped the US and Canadian versions that it's a little crazy.
gchick: Small furry animal wearing a tin-foil hat (Default)
[personal profile] gchick wrote:
Jul. 29th, 2009 07:00 pm (UTC)
B. Block Google search BUT allow sitewide search by other users

I'm fine with being found within dreamwidth -- even if it's not my direct circle, it's circle-of-circle (sphere? hmm...), or a common interest, or something that makes some kind of sense within dw. What I don't want is random people googling "obama" or whatthehellever and landing without any context.
crypto: Amy Pond (Default)
[personal profile] crypto wrote:
Jul. 29th, 2009 08:27 pm (UTC)
I can see that. I tend to assume that anything I post about "obama" or whatever would be Google search result #22,348,916, but you never know.
musesfool: eucalyptus by stephen meyers (sounds like a bad cover band)
[personal profile] musesfool wrote:
Jul. 29th, 2009 07:25 pm (UTC)
B. Block Google search BUT allow sitewide search by other users

I don't mind someone looking for something they think they saw, but I don't want random people stumbling in because stuff got indexed by bots.
crypto: Amy Pond (Default)
[personal profile] crypto wrote:
Jul. 29th, 2009 08:31 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that's understandable. I can only think of a few (innocuous) instances where someone's stumbled into my journal via search results, but then I only know that because they left comments, and in two cases it was people who had LJ accounts.
torachan: (Default)
[personal profile] torachan wrote:
Jul. 30th, 2009 07:08 am (UTC)
I would really love sitewide search. I hope other users won't render it useless (like they did the pingback system on LJ).

Like you said, it would be awesome to be able to search for fic, meta, etc. because searching on google doesn't usually get that many LJ/DW results because so many people have google blocked. It would be cool to use the search to look for recs, too. Again, whenever I search for my username on google or various blog searches, not a lot come sup because so many people have them blocked.
crypto: Amy Pond (Default)
[personal profile] crypto wrote:
Jul. 30th, 2009 05:01 pm (UTC)
To me, sitewide search and pingback feel more like newsletter communities than Google-type searchability. I can understand people's reasons for wanting to opt out, just as some people ask fandom newsletters not to link to their posts, but they're also a good way of connecting and building communities and networks.
thirdblindmouse: The captain, wearing an upturned pitcher on his head, gazes critically into the mirror. (my collection of M's (SH))
[personal profile] thirdblindmouse wrote:
Aug. 2nd, 2009 05:38 pm (UTC)
Option B would be great for me, because I am a search engine junkie -- I was longing for one long before I knew such things existed (last generation to do this, yay!), but I don't like the public visibility Google provides for my own journal, and I know a lot of other people don't like it either. If Dreamwidth-only search made the difference for them, as it would for me, that would rock.

I'm not sure what D would accomplish, when anyone can use Google + site:dreamwidth.org.
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Oct. 16th, 2009 01:11 pm (UTC)
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