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Three tangential Torchwood thoughts

  • Jul. 11th, 2009 at 3:49 PM
crypto: Amy Pond (Default)
 I'm really amazed by the responses to CoE. It seems to speak to a distinction between fannish vs. non-fannish viewing, or engagement with story vs. investment in characters. Or something?

1. You know the woman involved in the deliberations over selecting the 10%? I kept wondering if she was played by the actress who was the blonde, ditzy magazine editor in Absolutely Fabulous. Wikipedia tells me no, alas.

2. If you liked the actress who played Johnson, you should watch Dead Set. It was a 5-part zombie series that aired last year, centered on survivors in the Big Brother house. It's pretty good.

3. I'll give John Barrowman credit for stepping his performance up a notch in CoE, but even at his best it's nothing to write home about. He's being the series' biggest liability for me since the beginning, and I just can't really get worked up over immortality!angst in general. So here's my proposal for a fourth series: bring back Jack, but not to revive or lead Torchwood. Bring him back as the threat -- maybe he's gone insane, maybe he's possessed by a space succubus/incubus, maybe he's just not very human anymore and is ready to sell the planet off to the highest alien bidder. But make him the enemy, and make the series about how to kill him off for good.

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cathexys: dark sphinx (default icon) (Default)
[personal profile] cathexys wrote:
Jul. 11th, 2009 08:48 pm (UTC)
I was just wondering the same thing re character vs plot...And it's funny, bc that's the tension at the center of fanfic isn't it? We take plot driven shows and expand the characters???

I'm not sure I like your evil!Jack idea though I agree about him being the biggest liability...
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[personal profile] crypto wrote:
Jul. 11th, 2009 09:00 pm (UTC)
I think character vs. plot might be too simplistic, but there's some kind of divide here. I'm also boggled that for once I feel like I'm on RTD's side, when half of TW fandom is out for his blood.
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[personal profile] torachan wrote:
Jul. 11th, 2009 08:56 pm (UTC)
I wouldn't say fannish vs non-fannish, since I'm pretty sure everyone on my flist who watched it is a fan, but there was everything from "wow, this is the best thing ever" to "I'm never watching again because they broke up my OTP!11111!"

I liked this comment from someone on my flist, though, "LOL TORCHWOOD IS RUSTY'S WHONIVERSE FANFIC AND RUSTY WROTE A DEATHFIC."
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[personal profile] crypto wrote:
Jul. 11th, 2009 09:05 pm (UTC)
I got the sense that people who were most fannish about TW pre-CoE overall had the most negative reaction, compared to more casual viewers. But so much of fanfic-centered TW fandom is centered around Jack/Ianto, so it's hard to separate OTP/OTC stuff from general fannishness, and it's probably more of a spectrum.

laurashapiro: Jack in a heroic pose in trenchcoat. Text reads "Billowy-Coat King of Pain (v. 2.0)" (jack king of pain)
[personal profile] laurashapiro wrote:
Jul. 11th, 2009 10:09 pm (UTC)
I would totally sign on to your #3, but only if he plays it like Angelus: happy-go-lucky, gleeful, horny, and totally malicious. That would be FUN.

I'm not surprised by the reactions I've read, but I don't share them. I seem to be more disengaged than the average fan when it comes to things like character death and moral ambiguity.
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[personal profile] crypto wrote:
Jul. 11th, 2009 11:03 pm (UTC)
I would totally sign on to your #3, but only if he plays it like Angelus: happy-go-lucky, gleeful, horny, and totally malicious. That would be FUN.

Yeah, exactly, something like that -- revisiting the original character traits from his introduction on Doctor Who but twisting them.

I'm prone to view character death and moral ambiguity as features rather than bugs, which may be why I only found a couple people in fandom who shared my love for The Shield. I guess it's just a different kind of investment.
laurashapiro: Jack in a heroic pose in trenchcoat. Text reads "Billowy-Coat King of Pain (v. 2.0)" (jack king of pain)
[personal profile] laurashapiro wrote:
Jul. 12th, 2009 03:13 pm (UTC)
revisiting the original character traits from his introduction on Doctor Who

This. My biggest problem with Torchwood is not how bad the first season was or any of the other things people complain about. It's that I went to it looking for THAT Jack, and he almost never makes an appearance. THAT is the Jack I love. I'm fascinated that the only time *my* Jack shows up is when he's on Doctor Who -- both of his subsequent appearances on DW have him reverting to the flirtatious cheerful guy I fell for. Then he goes back to his own show and turns into Angel again. ):

Moral ambiguity - definitely a feature. Character death -- often a feature, especially if used to show that yes, there ARE real stakes here and no one is safe.