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Vegas week for YouTube vidders

  • Jun. 19th, 2009 at 2:05 PM
crypto: actor glynn turman (glynn turman)
Because I'm basically watching So You Think You Can Dance on a torrent time delay, I occupied myself last night by checking out the semi-final round of the second "season" of So You Think You Can Vid on YouTube. The judges had selected 80 vidders from the 420 entries in the audition round, and assigned them one of five songs to vid (entries had to be at least 40 seconds). I watched the entries for three of the songs: Queens of the Stone Age's "No One Knows" (playlist of semifinalist entries), Utada Hikaru's "Sanctuary" (semifinalist playlist), and Frou Frou's "Let Go" (semifinalist playlist). I haven't seen the other two batches yet for Muse's "Plug In Baby" (playlist) and Radiohead's "How to Disappear Completely" (playlist).

Because not all of the semifinalists submitted vids (or else some were posted privately?), and most vids were shorter than the full length of the song, you can watch each playlist in about 25 minutes. It's pretty cool to see over a dozen vid responses to the same song, though it can get repetitive. I can't say that I saw a lot of wildly divergent interpretations of the songs, but then I didn't know a lot of the sources (which skew heavily towards movies overand I wouldn't describe the ones for the batches that I've seen so far as lyrically meaty.

What does emerge really clearly is a certain YouTube vidding aesthetic (albeit not the only or even necessarily dominant YouTube vidding aesthetic). I'd describe it as rapid cutting and lots of effects, with a tendency towards heavily working over the clips through tweaking elements such as color and saturation. I'd also mention the frequent (or at least, significantly more frequent than in the vids that I see posted on LJ) use of text (generally fragments of the lyrics) and audio from the video source (lines of dialogue).

All of this typically yields a very stylized feel to the vids, where the "hand" of the vidder is quite present and visible. That sense is exacerbated with the vidders who "watermark" their names on their vids, or in a few cases open with a brief standard intro sequence that they use on all of their vids (as a branding element, like the roar of the lion preceding an MGM movie); several post their vids under "____ Productions".

I'm sure I'm grossly overgeneralizing, and reducing the diversity of styles into a falsely monolithic "aesthetic." And while I certainly wouldn't and couldn't try to conflate the vids that I watch which come out of the LJ/DW-based vidding community into a single aesthetic, it does feel like the "traditional" vidding community operates under a somewhat different set of values and priorities than this particular YouTube vidding culture (though there's certainly overlap and crossover).

As long as I'm being reductive, it's hard for me to think of these YouTube vidders along the lines of, for instance, what [personal profile] laurashapiro  describes as "telling deeper." I'd probably instead go with something like "heightened sensation" or a phrase that emphasized stylization to describe their vids. Though these certainly aren't mutually exclusive approaches to vidding, and maybe I'm overestimating the differences or just less fluent when it comes to reading these YouTube vids.

Either way, in the meantime, I'll be rooting for elekta to advance into the next round.

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giandujakiss: (Default)
[personal profile] giandujakiss wrote:
Jun. 19th, 2009 07:42 pm (UTC)
Others have noticed before that there are different vidding cultures with different aesthetics, including aesthetics about the uses of effects. I know that [personal profile] bradcpu was at one time contemplating doing a panel at Vividcon where he'd show different vids by vidders who learned in different communities, and compare and contrast the styles.
crypto: (sarah looks ahead)
[personal profile] crypto wrote:
Jun. 19th, 2009 08:37 pm (UTC)
I should probably title my journal "As others have noticed before..." :)

I knew there were some vidders who have started on YouTube and came over to LJ, or come to live action vids via AMVs. But I'm sure that's really only scratching the surface; I'd love to see [personal profile] bradcpu do a panel or post along those lines.
cathexys: dark sphinx (default icon) (Default)
[personal profile] cathexys wrote:
Jun. 19th, 2009 10:33 pm (UTC)
This would be an utterly fascinating panel. In fact, I think the old "houses" that vidding historians talk about come back in a way when you look at certain vidding groups that work closely together and influence one another. But then I'd argue the same thing about fic :)
giandujakiss: (Default)
[personal profile] giandujakiss wrote:
Jun. 19th, 2009 10:37 pm (UTC)
I thought it sounded like an amazing panel - Brad had it planned and everything. He was also going to showcase a vidder who had been - my words, not his - raised by wolves, i.e., figured it out all on her own, never saw other vids until after she had already developed her own style. Brad wouldn't say who that person was, just that it was someone whose vids I knew. I know who I'd guess it was, but I'm not sure.

Anyway, he mentioned this idea like two Vividcons back.

Your comarison to the different houses of vidding is really interesting; it's funny because those houses had to do at the time with the limitations of the technology - you had to learn from someone, live, in your geographic area. None of that's true anymore but we still form distinct enough online communities that the idea carries over.
cathexys: dark sphinx (default icon) (Default)
[personal profile] cathexys wrote:
Jun. 19th, 2009 10:41 pm (UTC)
you mean a FERAL VIDDER??? rotfl sorry...i always get kinda hysterical when that notion comes up (and the LJ elections aren't helping...:)

Anyway, yes, I think it's more to do with shared interests and friendships these days than physical limitations, but having someone cocreate or beta your vid can be a pretty damn big thing, right? Whom do you trust and who gets your style and aesthetics...

I'm watching the vids right now and am fascinated by them...though I'm not sure if the fast cuts or my new varifocals are making me dizzy... :P
lo_rez: green-on-black classic radar circular grid (Default)
[personal profile] lo_rez wrote:
Jun. 19th, 2009 08:06 pm (UTC)
This is really interesting. Thanks for the links.

I'm hugely curious about how fannish vidding is feeding into commercially produced scripted television; S1 of Ashes to Ashes was fascinating in that respect, f'rex. There were scenes and bits of scenes that were straight out of what I would call a fanvid aesthetic, not to mention the overarching Bowie conceit of both Life on Mars and A2A. I'm not plugged in to any vidding community at all, but it seems at least superficially as though TPTB's drive to adopt/co-opt the practice is a both more overt and less raw, though I'm sure no less profit-driven. If that makes sense.

It makes me wonder whether that (if it's true) has anything to do with the originating materials being entirely commercial and claimable, and the artist's contributions more apparently separable than is generally the case with fanfiction. Is the form itself seen by content monopolists as easier to control than fanfiction, and thus quicker to legitimize, I guess is what I'm wondering.
crypto: (sarah looks left)
[personal profile] crypto wrote:
Jun. 19th, 2009 08:53 pm (UTC)
I've only seen the first episode of A2A (and have twinges of regret about that every time I see your posts about the series), but I'm hesitant to attribute its style to a specifically fanvid aesthetic. At least, I wonder whether Miami Vice -- famous for explicitly adopting an MTV music video aesthetic -- might be more of a direct influence, or at least a predecessor in the "video montage set to commercial song" department.

Paranthetically, I'd really love to find some kind of history of the evolution of songs & music on prime time television. It feels like there's been a lot of growth role of music in general (including that composed for the show) as well as licensed commercial songs (plus appearances by bands performing "live" within shows' narratives) in recent decades, at least for U.S. television. And TV shows have themselves become more important in promoting bands and exposing people to new music, in the way that radio used to.
lo_rez: green-on-black classic radar circular grid (Default)
[personal profile] lo_rez wrote:
Jun. 19th, 2009 09:44 pm (UTC)
It would be very, very cool to see such a history, and subsequently to stack it up against trends in fan-vidding to see where interplay might be happening. Of course you're right about MTV and the Miami Vice assimilation of the form. The general convergence of musical/lyrical and televisual narrative is seriously interesting both artistically and in terms of its massive effects on commercial production, imo, and I wonder all sorts of things about how that plays into the current shock-and-awe phase of the copyright wars.

(There's also the interesting fannish practice of producing "soundtracks" for both canon events/characters and for fanfiction, complete with liner notes and art. I've seen the same thing on a couple of occasions, one formally (where the publisher was involved) and one informally, in an author's preface, accompanying commercially published fiction.)

Oh, man, A2A. Series 3 is confirmed and now I'm all anxiety-ridden about all the ways they could screw up the final story. PLEASE DON'T HURT ME BBC PLEASE.
laurashapiro: "little miss pretentious believes in learning" (pretentious)
[personal profile] laurashapiro wrote:
Jun. 20th, 2009 06:31 pm (UTC)
Thanks for this. I don't know when I'll have a chance to watch these vids, but I like knowing that So You Think You Can Vid is out there. (:

"Telling deeper" is where I started, and certainly has its roots in the traditional vidding community I learned from. But many members of that community have moved lately toward more effects-driven vidding, non-narrative vidding, mood pieces, and what [personal profile] heresluck calls "lyric" vidding. I've certainly been doing more of that kind of thing lately myself -- two of my premiering vids at VVC 2009 will be in that style.

I'm most interested in vids that combine the "heightened sensation" aesthetics with the "telling deeper" narrative emphasis, but I haven't managed to make any myself yet. (:
crypto: Amy Pond (Default)
[personal profile] crypto wrote:
Jun. 21st, 2009 05:29 pm (UTC)
There's a lot of interesting stuff in the entries, but not much that I'd rec as a stand-alone vid (vs. "I'd like to see more from this vidder outside of the contest constraints"). I did like elekta's Dollhouse vid, though (I've been following her Sarah Connor Chronicle vids for a while).

The lyric vidding that [personal profile] heresluck described really does fit a lot of these vids. Though now that I think about it, many of the entries did have a central narrative, but they were often more like vids-as-fanfic (the kind where the vidder explains the story in their vid notes). In a comment to the LJ version of this post, [livejournal.com profile] liviapenn noted the popularity of constructed reality vids on YouTube, which seems connected.

And the prospect of new vids by you to look forward to always brightens my day. :)
laurashapiro: a woman sits at a kitchen table reading a book, cup of tea in hand. Table has a sliced apple and teapot. A cat looks on. (Default)
[personal profile] laurashapiro wrote:
Jun. 25th, 2009 10:14 pm (UTC)
Belatedly...
I haven't had a chance to check out elekta yet, so I was kinda waiting until I had done so to reply to this. But as the days tick by, I wanted to make sure to thank you for your enthusiastic support of my work. (:
crypto: Amy Pond (Default)
[personal profile] crypto wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2009 06:00 pm (UTC)
Re: Belatedly...
Hey, anytime! I just got my pom-poms back from the dry cleaner. *\o/*