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  • Jun. 9th, 2009 at 4:57 PM
crypto: Amy Pond (Default)
LJ/DW media fandom has been the first time I've really participated in an online community. This month marks three years since I created an LJ, but I mostly lurked for the first twelve months, so my period of active participation really only extends back for two years.

LJ/DW fandom is also my first sustained experience in a predominantly female community. I wish I could talk about what it's like to be a male in a primarily female community, but it's generally hard for me to separate out which [novel and distinctive to me] aspects are about gender vs. online dynamics, along with which parts are specific to online female-skewing media fandom culture vs. general features of online female-centric spaces.

But if I had to describe it, it would be something like the sensation of being a teenager whose cool older* sister let him hang out with her and the smart, funny, creative women friends from college. And even join in their conversation, as though I had something to contribute!

* "older" as in more mature and worldly, like the aura that college students have when you're in high school, given that I'm probably a few years above the likely median age of my friendslist

I don't have an older sister, but I've pretty much always had a lot of awesome women in my life and cool female friends. So a lot of the conversations that I saw online would initially remind me of those occasional times when I'd been the only guy in the room, or one of two or three guys outnumberd by women. But that had never been a default or regular experience for me until LJ.

One thing that I like about being a guy in LJ/DW fandom is that I can't take for granted that I have a clear and secure place in every conversation, or feel confident about how to enter into those conversations and participate in them. It's not that LJ/DW fandom is the only place in my life where that applies, but in other contexts that uncertainty is temporary and situational; here, for me, it's foundational and structural.

And what I found here is that I make mistakes. Sometimes people tell me that I've made a mistake, sometimes I figure that out on my own, a lot of times I'm not sure, and other times I probably never realized that I made a mistake at all. Some of my mistakes have stemmed from not thinking about my words from someone else's perspective; some of them have come from being inappropriately glib; some of them have come from arrogance, or ignorance, or just a self-serving desire to be part of a conversation regardless of whether I had anything to contribute. And sometimes my mistakes are in not saying anything.

And of course I make all of those mistakes elsewhere in my life, but the experience of participating in a community that is both online plus predominantly female has sensitized me to them differently. I can't say that it's actually translated into me making fewer mistakes yet, but it has giving me more insight into how and when and where I make mistakes, and what I can do about it. And then I think about how "making fewer mistakes" is setting the bar pretty low, and I want to do and be more and better than that.

At any rate, thanks to everyone who's been part of my time in LJ/DW fandom so far -- you're pretty damn fantastic.

Comments

laurashapiro: a woman sits at a kitchen table reading a book, cup of tea in hand. Table has a sliced apple and teapot. A cat looks on. (Default)
[personal profile] laurashapiro wrote:
Jun. 9th, 2009 10:45 pm (UTC)
Glad you're hanging out in these parts, dude. I always enjoy your posts.
cofax7: climbing on an abbey wall  (Default)
[personal profile] cofax7 wrote:
Jun. 9th, 2009 11:25 pm (UTC)
What Laura said. You always have something interesting to say, a different angle on the topic du jour, and I appreciate that.
crypto: Amy Pond (Default)
[personal profile] crypto wrote:
Jun. 10th, 2009 03:40 pm (UTC)
Thank you.
crypto: Amy Pond (Default)
[personal profile] crypto wrote:
Jun. 10th, 2009 03:23 pm (UTC)
Thanks, glad to be hanging out in these parts.
princessofgeeks: Shane and Ilya looking at each other in the living room of the cottage (Default)
[personal profile] princessofgeeks wrote:
Jun. 9th, 2009 11:23 pm (UTC)
happy anniversary.

i first learned about slash and fanfic about the fact that fanfic was indeed a female-dominated enterprise only in 2003. so i've really been fascinated, obviously. i made it a point to read all the fannish history i could find.

i have two observations for you: first, i haven't noticed you making any stereotypically GUY mistakes. i would say so if i had. but then, I don't pretend to participate in every discussion you are involved in. so that's just fwiw.

second, i think it's great that you are willing to enjoy a foundational and structural uncertainty. I think that's rare.

*cheers*


trobadora: (Default)
[personal profile] trobadora wrote:
Jun. 9th, 2009 11:27 pm (UTC)
second, i think it's great that you are willing to enjoy a foundational and structural uncertainty. I think that's rare.

*absolutely agrees with this*

Seriously, fabulous negative capability. :D
crypto: Amy Pond (Default)
[personal profile] crypto wrote:
Jun. 10th, 2009 04:03 pm (UTC)
*g*

I can't say I completely 'enjoy' it -- there's a certain amount of anxiety and self-doubt that comes with the territory. But it's definitely given me a better vantage point into how much I take for granted that I'll be listened to and taken seriously in other spaces by default simply by virtue of being male (and white, and presenting as middle class/educated).
crypto: Amy Pond (Default)
[personal profile] crypto wrote:
Jun. 10th, 2009 03:57 pm (UTC)
I still remember (back when I was in lurker mode) reading & enjoying your reading notes about the Fan Fiction & Fan Communities book!

And hey, if I'm making nonstereotypical guy mistakes, at least that's original! Though some of the mistakes I had in mind aren't specifically guy stuff, but just stuff that I've become more conscious of because I'm speaking as a guy in a mostly female community.

*cheers*
futuransky: Sarah Connor and the words THE FUTURE ISN'T SET (sarah connor future)
[personal profile] futuransky wrote:
Jun. 9th, 2009 11:30 pm (UTC)
I have much enjoyed having you in these here spaces. :)
crypto: Amy Pond (Default)
[personal profile] crypto wrote:
Jun. 10th, 2009 04:05 pm (UTC)
Thank you! :)

(I'm still hoping to carve out some time to try making a vid this summer, encouraged by your beta offer.)
musesfool: tasty cosmopolitans (we'll laugh and we'll toast to nothing)
[personal profile] musesfool wrote:
Jun. 9th, 2009 11:49 pm (UTC)
Happy LJ-versary, such as it is.
crypto: Amy Pond (Default)
[personal profile] crypto wrote:
Jun. 10th, 2009 04:05 pm (UTC)
Thank you.
anatsuno: a black and wide photo of anatsuno, grinning (all about ana)
[personal profile] anatsuno wrote:
Jun. 10th, 2009 01:09 am (UTC)
<3
Happy day! We've never regretted your moving in. *g*

(It's my royal we day today, apparently)
crypto: Amy Pond (Default)
[personal profile] crypto wrote:
Jun. 10th, 2009 04:07 pm (UTC)
Re: <3


Thank you!

I of course thought of you when I wrote the subject line. *g*
anatsuno: a women reads, skeptically (drawing by Kate Beaton) (Default)
[personal profile] anatsuno wrote:
Jun. 10th, 2009 09:42 pm (UTC)
Re: &lt;3
You know, I had to go check that it was a deliberate subject and not the DW software suddenly deciding to fill in strings in French (LJ has a French localization - it drives me bonkers). Then I was all NAW YAY FRENCH!

I'm easy. :)
crypto: Amy Pond (Default)
[personal profile] crypto wrote:
Jun. 10th, 2009 09:52 pm (UTC)
Re: &lt;3
I'm very happy with my subject-line-as-LOLcat results, but I can't help but wish that the image for this post featured a cat with an outstretched paw. ;)
anatsuno: a women reads, skeptically (drawing by Kate Beaton) (Default)
[personal profile] anatsuno wrote:
Jun. 10th, 2009 09:55 pm (UTC)
Re: &amp;lt;3
oh wow, some of those are GENIUS. I think I haven't tried that in a while..
livrelibre: DW barcode (Default)
[personal profile] livrelibre wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2009 01:59 am (UTC)
Happy LJ/DW-versary! And it's definitely been cool seeing you around this corner of the internets:)
crypto: Amy Pond (Default)
[personal profile] crypto wrote:
Jun. 11th, 2009 04:38 am (UTC)
Thank you so much! :)