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K/S, then and now: nature or nurture?

  • May. 13th, 2009 at 9:03 PM
crypto: Amy Pond (Default)
I'd been idly speculating about how long I could keep my journal a Star Trek XI-free zone, sort of like when you see how long you can hold your breath. And then I saw [personal profile] laurashapiro 's post linking to an SF Chronicle piece celebrating not the slashiness but rather the bromance of Kirk and Spock, and it got me thinking.

Here's my question:

Did the new movie's Kirk and Spock simply inherit the original series' slashiness as part of Star Trek's DNA, so that they don't even need to generate their own subtext or UST and can just live off of the legacy of the original characters' aura, like the slash pairing version of a trust fund kid?

Or did Chris Pine's Kirk and Zachary Quinto's Spock go out and earn their slashiness the old-fashioned way, refusing to ride on the slashy coattails of Shatner & Nimoy?

Maybe a little of each? Or do you see the slashiness of Pine!Kirk and Quinto!Spock as different than that of Shatner!Kirk and Nimoy!Spock -- a K/S 2.0, maybe?

I'm asking because I can't tell -- I don't actually remember whether there was any dialogue, any moments, any lingering glances or "weird about each other"-ness between Kirk and Spock that an ST:TOS-naive baby slasher or proto-slasher would pick up on if they were discovering slash for the first time.

Though hey, who knows what goes on with kids these days! Maybe slashiness itself is just different now than it was 40 years ago?

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crypto: Amy Pond (Default)
[personal profile] crypto wrote:
May. 14th, 2009 03:46 am (UTC)
Thanks!

It's funny how the idea of Kirk and Spock's bond was so central to the plot of the film, but it was mostly a case of telling and not showing via Spock Prime.

I was saying in the comments to the LJ cross-post that I'd always gotten the impression that the Captain/First Officer dynamic really defined the classic Kirk-Spock relationship, both in canon and as K/S. But in STXI, they hadn't settled into those roles yet. It'll be interesting to see whether the next movie jumps forward a couple of years, or picks up where this one leaves off and continues the "early adventures" mode. Either way, they'd better bring in more female roles, now that they've reintroduced the original crew.

I have this vague idea that contemporary slash is less subtext-dependent than original flavor -- that it's comfortable embracing all kinds of slash pairing regardless of canon basis. At least, that was my theory: that for modern tastes, STXI don't need to be slashy in the classic sense in order to be slashable, if that makes any sense.
princessofgeeks: Shane and Ilya looking at each other in the living room of the cottage (Default)
[personal profile] princessofgeeks wrote:
May. 14th, 2009 12:45 pm (UTC)
this re the less subtexty. because of the change in the mainstream culture irt homosexuality.

a lot of stuff that stayed hidden in the writer, the text and the culture is now truly discussable. it's on the table.