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Bad LOST fan, no biscuit (no spoilers)

  • May. 13th, 2010 at 4:23 PM
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As LOST's final season keeps drawing closer to its finale, I've been following more of the reviews and discussions of TV critics and what Jason Mittell calls the TVitterati.

But I've also been talking about the show weekly with a group of my co-workers -- it's truly our watercooler show, and we make a point of checking in after each episode. All of us are arguably fans -- is there anybody still watching who could be called a casual viewer at this point? -- but we're not on message boards, we don't have Lostpedia bookmarked, we might each check out reviews and recaps online but we don't obsessively track every pronouncement from Damon Lindelof & Carlton Cuse, we forget the names of minor characters and plot points from three seasons back. We're fans in the sense of highly engaged viewers who have a socialized way of engaging with the show.

Needless to say, I'm increasingly starting to think that my coworkers & I are watching from a different planet than the critics & TVitterati.

The consensus in my workplace is that there's stuff about this season that we like, and stuff that we don't like, but overall it's been disappointing and less entertaining than previous seasons. Meanwhile, I look online and see an increasingly elaborate set of norms and values advanced about the proper LOST fan's orientation to the show: we must have faith in Darlton; we have to believe that the finale will effectively retcon any dissatisfaction with elements of a given episode or plotline; it's okay to want some answers, but bad to want everything answered and worse to complain about the answers we get; be patient, be patient, be patient.

I guess I've never been a LOST fan in the sense of a true believer or proselytizer -- nor, for that matter, the apostate, the fallen fan who's turned on the show with precisely the same degree of passion which had once fueled their devotion. But lately, I'm wondering if me and my co-workers count as fans at all. Sure, we speculate and try to make sense of what's going on, but mostly we're along for the ride: call us post-mythology fans, who enjoy the sense of a mythology without being especially caught up in the details or the denouement. As long as it all feels like it's coherent, and could make sense, we don't worry too much about making sense of it or getting all the answers.

Time's James Poniewozik writes today in defense of arrogance as ascribed to LOST's showrunners, or more precisely in defense of ambitious 'auteur' television. And I certainly can get behind that -- I love my messy, flawed Sarah Connor Chronicles and Farscape and -- yes, still, despite everything, Battlestar Galactica too. But to me, LOST has never been anywhere near as ambitious or smart or complex as those shows, and the weaknesses and limitations that were obvious from the show's inception have returned with a vengeance in its final season. Unless, perhaps, you're the 'right' kind of LOST fan.

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dkompare: (Default)
[personal profile] dkompare wrote:
May. 13th, 2010 10:11 pm (UTC)
Great point about what "kind" of fan one is. That's exactly the reason I've generally only flitted about the periphery of fandoms: I don't want to get involved in debates about whether or not I "get" it or am "doing it" right or wrong. Gallifrey Base, though I've known and loved the mods for over 20 years, is just that sort of space, which is why I avoid it.

FWIW, I'm disappointed in this season of Lost as well, though like you, I'm not that emotionally invested in it the way I am with Doctor Who, or Mad Men, or was with BSG. I want to see it go out strong enough, which I think it will, but I'm not going to get bent out of shape if it doesn't go exactly how I'd want it to go. Hell, I don't even know how I want it to go, so I can't be disappointed! :)
crypto: Amy Pond (Default)
[personal profile] crypto wrote:
May. 13th, 2010 10:29 pm (UTC)
That's basically where I am -- I'm not invested in any particular ending, which is maybe why I'm confounded by the ever-intensifying attempts at managing expectations and rationalizing away the weaker elements of this season that seem to be swirling around the show.

(Though maybe I really am a bad fan -- I might be the only person who's completely over Michael Giacchino and his plaintive piano tinklings for the Big! Emotional! Moments!)

But yeah, the 'getting it' vs. 'doing it wrong' aspect of fandom (for any show) is pretty wearying & off-putting.
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[personal profile] dkompare wrote:
May. 13th, 2010 10:44 pm (UTC)
The problem with Lost is that it completely set itself up for these expectations. And many people walked right into it, hook link and sinker. There's certainly nothing wrong with expectations per se, but in this case, with so much stuff dangled out there for people to fixate over, it's inevitable that these expectations will mostly be frustrated. I'm going to predict the percentage of self-proclaimed Lost fans that like the finale will be around 25-30%, based solely around those expectations. Me, I know how TV is made, and I get that expectations and desires don't equal practical production decisions (one of the reasons I was also never all that bothered by the BSG finale).

TV shows rarely, rarely end exactly how we'd like them, because "we" are each watching a different show in our heads

That said, I confess to being a Giacchino fan! The great composers (and I'd put MG up there with the likes of Herrmann, Goldsmith, Barry, and Morricone) never shied away from an extra bit of affect if need be (Herrmann in particular). However, I am almost totally over Murray Gold. I'm still liking bits of this year's scoring, but too much of it reminds me of the old regime. Hopefully, Moffat will experiment more next season.
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[personal profile] cofax7 wrote:
May. 13th, 2010 11:05 pm (UTC)
The problem with Lost is that it completely set itself up for these expectations. And many people walked right into it, hook link and sinker.

Well, many people who didn't witness JJ Abrams' complete failure to make any sense out of the mytharc he established in the first two seasons of Alias, anyway... *g*

I've seen Abrams' work; I knew from the beginning he didn't have a plan. Nothing I've read about LOST since I stopped watching (back in season 2) has convinced me that even a reasonable amount of the questions will be tied up in a satisfactory way.
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[personal profile] crypto wrote:
May. 14th, 2010 09:23 pm (UTC)
This was before my LJ time, but it seems like almost everybody in fandom on my friendslist stopped watching during season 2. Was there a mass defection, or a trickle, or was it just never that big a show in fan fiction/fanworks-centric fandom to start with?
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[personal profile] cofax7 wrote:
May. 14th, 2010 09:28 pm (UTC)
I don't know about everyone else in fandom; I got fed up because the show seemed to be mostly about raising questions without answering them, and having people stand around yelling at one another rather than communicate. It did seem like people kept watching it, but for whatever reason it never took off as a show with a fanfic-writing type of fandom. Possibly because the plot careened on so quickly and the audience's understanding of the backstory changed too. That would make it hard to write for, I think.
crypto: Amy Pond (Default)
[personal profile] crypto wrote:
May. 14th, 2010 09:19 pm (UTC)
Yeah, and I definitely think that Darlton (and the critics' treatment of them) played as much a part in those expectations as the narrative itself, by taking on and trading off of their whole guru personae. That shifts the whole experience of engagement and anticipation to one of a quasi-mysticized revelation, which sort of echoes the show's whole "faith vs. science" motif (not to mention the recurring deferral of direct answers in the dialogue). A lot of their interviews over creative choices for this season and the ending have an almost Zen koan refrain.

(I was over Murray Gold by the end of the RTD era, though he seems to have dialed it back a few notches for this year, so I don't mind as much. But I'm still mulling over Matt Hills' recent Antenna post about brand regeneration.)
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[personal profile] katie_m wrote:
May. 13th, 2010 11:50 pm (UTC)
call us post-mythology fans, who enjoy the sense of a mythology without being especially caught up in the details or the denouement

Yes, this is exactly how I feel about Lost. Crazy island grad students polar bear submarine funky statue guns explosions dead people whee! I totally do not expect it to make sense; if I cared a lot about its arc I'd be either bitter or gone by now, but mostly I just wanna see how everything works out for these guys.

(Which is, I think, why I wasn't particularly in to Across the Sea; I wasn't particularly curious about the questions it answered, and I don't care enough about Jacob and Smokey to enjoy having them around.)
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[personal profile] crypto wrote:
May. 14th, 2010 09:03 pm (UTC)
Crazy island grad students polar bear submarine funky statue guns explosions dead people whee!

Exactly! Across the Sea could have been much better with a random polar bear and maybe a confused time traveler popping in and out at inconvenient moments.