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crypto ([personal profile] crypto) wrote2010-08-10 11:05 am

Dear Vidders: Why not YouTube?

I'm considering writing a post about vidding for Symposium Blog this week in honor of VividCon, so I thought I'd toss out a question:

As I'm eagerly devouring all the new vids that are coming out, I can't help but notice that for vidders who post streaming versions of their vids, most aren't hosted on YouTube. I see stuff on various Ning vid communities, Vimeo, a couple others, and occasionally self-hosted, but YouTube seems pretty rare, at least as a first choice for streaming vids.

So here's my question -- why not YouTube?

Is it because of:

Video quality?
Concerns re: greater vulnerability to takedown notices from copyright holders?
Privacy/obscurity (e.g. having some control over the audience that sees your vids, rather than anybody potentially stumbling across them)?
Something else?

I'm curious! And also hoping to use responses as fodder for a blog post -- if I get enough answers to write something up, I'll link back to this post but quote from comments w/out names ["one vidder said, 'YouTube killed my parents!'"] unless you explicitly give me permission to use your name. And of course you can also comment anonymously, or ask me to screen your comment.

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[personal profile] cofax7 2010-08-10 03:25 pm (UTC)(link)
My understanding is that: (1) Youtube is much more aggressive about take-downs for copyright infringement; (2) Youtubers tend to steal vids and post them under their own names; (3) Youtube comment sections are a seething mass of the worst of humanity. I believe there are also more technical reasons having to do with the quality of the stream.

But I am not a vidder, so I may be complete off-base.
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[personal profile] giandujakiss 2010-08-10 03:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Most people either dislike the quality, or dislike the takedowns. Not from fear of major legal issues, but just because it's annoying to lose a vid and all comments associated with it, and/or your account if you do it repeatedly. And now YT even blocks some uploads. Not worth the hassle for many vidders.
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[personal profile] lo_rez 2010-08-10 03:31 pm (UTC)(link)
As a non-vidding fan of vids, I can attest that most of my bookmarks for vids on YouTube now lead to a page that says "Content removed due to a copyright claim by Warner Bros." or similar.
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[personal profile] cathexys 2010-08-10 04:10 pm (UTC)(link)
When imeem started getting discussed (check astolat's LJ and vidding com that December...2008?), the quality was one of the biggest issues!

i also think there's a community aspect where behavioral expectations are simply different (reposting, d'loading and sharing, etc.)
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[personal profile] giandujakiss 2010-08-10 05:48 pm (UTC)(link)
YT's quality has improved, I gather- so more LJ vidders are over there. Like, Charmax I think posts to YT. And I know Brad recently created a YT account but that's not what he links from his LJ announcements.

Until recently, I had a YT account - I just didn't link it from LJ. I think that's probably true of many other LJ vidders, as well - they have YT, they just don't use it for LJ posts.
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[personal profile] cathexys 2010-08-10 07:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, that's interesting to know!

and yes, duh, the HD options...

Of course, if you start now, you can then be accused of having stolen your own files (cf bradpcu :)
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[personal profile] londonkds 2010-08-10 05:01 pm (UTC)(link)
One Vividcon vid that did get uploaded by the creator to YouTube was TOSsed within about thirty minutes for copyright violation.
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[personal profile] zephyrprince 2010-08-10 06:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Could be an interesting topic especially because there are communities of people on youtube who are arguably making vids but don't neccessarily have any connection or communication with the KandyFong/VHS/LJ/DW/VVC tradition.

I would check this bit of history out because it seems unavoidable in this conversation (and you may very well already know it of course):
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[personal profile] torachan 2010-08-11 01:56 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, there are a ton of vids on youtube from "media fandom" fandoms that are just made by people not in the "vidding fandom".
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[personal profile] laurashapiro 2010-08-10 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I would say that the vidding community I am a part of is influenced by all of the things you listed. Most of the vidders I know just find the takedowns a hassle and they don't bother with YT as a result.

There was some interesting discussion about YT/Google at the VVC Town Hall. I'm hoping we may see it bear fruit, but I for one am waiting for OTW's solution to be implemented. That's where I want to put my vids.
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[personal profile] some_stars 2010-08-11 12:30 am (UTC)(link)
I used to use youtube! Then they took the audio off of one of my vids. Then they took the audio off another one. When the third one happened I said "fuck this." Now I don't bother. I am totally in sympathy with all the people saying that LJ-based vidding fandom needs more Youtube presence, but you know, if they literally WILL NOT LET ME be there, then...I won't be there!
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[personal profile] par_avion 2010-08-12 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
I'd point you to this, if you didn't see it when i originallly linked to it.
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[personal profile] par_avion 2010-08-25 05:59 am (UTC)(link)
"YouTube?! Dude, that place is crazy. They are suspending accounts left, right, and center. And some vids they just remove the sound. Crazycakes. I go to recs list from a year ago and most of the time not only has the vid been removed the vid but the person's entire account. It's too bad. I like YouTube because it doesn't stutter as much as Imeem and people all over the world can view it easily. But it's like a witchunt over there. It's really sad. There are some really fine vids that were there and are now . . . gone." (in comments)