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Anon culture in fandom

  • Jul. 18th, 2010 at 4:13 PM
crypto: Amy Pond (Default)
So I'm working on my next post for the Symposium blog and I'd like to write about anonymity in fandom. But I need your help!

I've been following the latest anon meme that sprung out of the ViVidCon debates (is there some kind of Fight Club thing where you're not supposed to link to it? or actually name it? I'm going to err on the side of caution here, but let me know if there are standard anon meme rules or norms I should be observing), and it's been pretty fascinating to see the different dynamics of how discussions play out there vs. on LJ/DW. I've checked out a few other anon memes in the past, but this is the longest I've ever followed one. Yet I haven't left any comments on the meme, so I can't claim to be a participant-observer -- there's something about posting anon that just weirds me out (personally, not when other people do it). I'm not sure what it is, but I definitely got weirded out the couple of times in the past that I posted on anon love memes where you tell people on the flist how awesome they are. Which, hey, people on my flist are awesome, and deserve to hear that! So I don't know what my mental block here is.

So I'd love to hear from any of you about the pleasures (and perils!) of posting anon, or participating in anon memes. I'm also thinking of saying something about kink memes, which are the other major place that I'm aware of that carve out a pro-anon space in fandom, and seem to be on the rise over the last couple of years. But I know even less about kink meme culture than anon memes! So any observations, insights, experiences you'd like to share about kink memes & anonymity would be welcome.

And I think I need a third thing, right? I figured I'd at least reference the WoW/Blizzard Real ID controversy, but it would be nice to have a third instance of anon culture in LJ/DW-based media fandom, if anyone has suggestions.

Anon posting for comments is on, naturally (ETA: and IP logging is off). Thanks in advance!

ETA 2: I've fallen way behind on responding to comments, but I'm reading them all & appreciate all the perspectives & experiences & context that everyone's offering.

ETA 3: The first part of my Symposium blog post on anon memes is now up.



ratcreature: RatCreature as a sloth (sloth)
[personal profile] ratcreature wrote:
Jul. 18th, 2010 09:50 pm (UTC)
I have browsed some of the latest because I saw it mentioned again and again, but I have the same problem with anon memes as with comment fic and kink memes, that they are tedious to browse, so unless someone links you to interesting bits you have expand comments, wait, expand another comment thread, wait, and so on and so forth, and I'm on broadband even and it still takes forever. Also more often than not there are no subject lines. So with the recent one I never even got around to seeing anything that would have justified all the interest on my f-list, because I was fed up with the navigation before I ever got anything that was truly different from non-anon comments. Also in the past when I have browsed around anon memes I was just frequently confused, because there were bits of personal gossip, and airing dirty laundry, which might have been interesting in a rubbernecking way, except I had never heard about any of the supposedly "BNFs" even though I was in the same fandom. I had that happen in HP and SPN anon memes, that I had no idea what past kerfuffle and conflict was being rehashed or who most of these people were. So when I do browse for longer to it's never even worth the tedium, because it's mostly about people I don't even know.

At least with kink memes usually someone ends up making a delicious account so that you can find what you want. I really hope for those that the recent DW suggestion about anon comm posts gets implemented and we could have anon posting and decent browsing and organization at the same time, with things easily tagged and fic not splitt into tiny gazillion parts.

As for posting anon, the same laziness hinders that. I can't be bothered to log out of my accounts just to rant in some comment.
crypto: Amy Pond (Default)
[personal profile] crypto wrote:
Jul. 18th, 2010 10:14 pm (UTC)
Yeah, it's taken me a while to get the hang of semi-efficiently reading anon memes, and that's without tracking individual comment threads. I'm guessing that it's not hugely rewarding over a long period of time to remain a lurker rather than a participant. The new meme is the only one I've checked out where I've actually heard of most of the people whose names come up.

I hadn't heard about the DW suggestion for anon comm posts! I wonder how people might use that option if DW implements it.
ratcreature: RatCreature wears many socks, fashioned as puppets: Not a sockpuppet, really. (sockpuppet)
[personal profile] ratcreature wrote:
Jul. 18th, 2010 10:19 pm (UTC)
The suggestion with a poll about it and discussion is here:
Most how responded were in favor.
crypto: Amy Pond (Default)
[personal profile] crypto wrote:
Jul. 18th, 2010 10:21 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the link!
(Anonymous) wrote:
Jul. 19th, 2010 12:43 am (UTC)
I mostly lurk at lol_meme because I don't have much to say. I do find it interesting to be a lurker there. People have very lengthy non-fandomy discussions. Part of why I'm not very interested in the failfandomanon thing is it's very fandom-discussion dominated, and I'd really rather have long anonymous conversations about other things.
crypto: Amy Pond (Default)
[personal profile] crypto wrote:
Jul. 19th, 2010 01:07 am (UTC)
Yeah, the non-fandom conversations are often the best part of these memes. I'm a lurker by nature, but it's easy to see the appeal.
doire: (Default)
[personal profile] doire wrote:
Jul. 25th, 2010 06:13 pm (UTC)
Purely practically you can append ?view=flat to see the latest comments and then use parent or thread to follow anything interesting.

And on the subject of anonymous memes: there don't seem to be so many dogpiles on unpopular thoughts. Perhaps there isn't the need to demonstrate that you, too, abhor this idea.

Here, on a strange computer, and might not have logged in properly, via meta fandom
loligo: Scully with blue glasses (Default)
[personal profile] loligo wrote:
Jul. 19th, 2010 01:59 am (UTC)
Yeah, I want someone to conveniently index the anon meme, so I can just find the threads that are relevant to me! Also, I have a huge embarrassment squick, so I would just as soon avoid the public mockery of specific individuals. I'm not sure why anonymity makes such a big difference to me there -- I don't mind reading mocking commentary on F_W. The anonymity somehow makes it feel much more humiliating. (I have been reading the latest anon meme on and off, but I really have to be in the right mood to wade through the problematic stuff, just to get to the stuff that interests me.)
torachan: (Default)
[personal profile] torachan wrote:
Jul. 19th, 2010 10:25 am (UTC)
Yeah, I think one reason I keep going back to read fail_fandomanon is that I actually have heard of most of the people and incidents being talked about. XD When I've browsed anon memes in the past, it's almost always been people and incidents I've never heard of, so I lose interest quickly.